The 4 fellow marines charged with killing the young couple....
So horrible! This lovely young couple was massacred in their home by 4 savages, passing as Honorable Marines.Do you ladies still believe the threadbare lie that bm don't care if you date/marry out?
I am so sorry to report the following story...
Court records indicate four Marines acknowledged they had roles in the robbery, sexual assault and murder of a Camp Pendleton-based Iraq veteran and his wife last month in Riverside County. Pvt. Kevin Darnell Cox, 20, of Tennessee; Pvt. Emrys John, 18, of Maryland; Lance Cpl. Tyrone Miller, 20, of North Carolina; and Pvt. Kesuan Sykes, 21, of California face murder charges in connection with the case.
Sgt. Jan and his wife, Quiana Faye Jenkins-Pietrzak. The couple, who were originally from New York, were found gagged, tied and shot in the head on Oct. 15 in the living room of their home in Winchester. Sheriff's deputies were called after the sergeant failed to show up for work. The couple's home was ransacked and jewelry and other items were taken. A fire was set, apparently in an effort to destroy evidence. The Camp Pendleton-based Marine sergeant and his wife were tortured before they were shot execution-style, according to a published report.
Investigators said they believe the motive was financial in nature. Pietrzak's mother, Henryka Pietrzak-Varga, prepared herself the possibility that her son could die in Iraq, but, in her words, "to die like this, in their own home? They were good kids. They didn't deserve to die like this."
The couple married in August and had been living off-base in Winchester in a five-bedroom home they recently purchased that had been foreclosed, according to the paper.
Read the New York Daily News story "Brooklyn Marine Sergeant & Wife Tortured" story for more details.
Investigators said they believe the motive was financial in nature. Pietrzak's mother, Henryka Pietrzak-Varga, prepared herself the possibility that her son could die in Iraq, but, in her words, "to die like this, in their own home? They were good kids. They didn't deserve to die like this."
The couple married in August and had been living off-base in Winchester in a five-bedroom home they recently purchased that had been foreclosed, according to the paper.
Read the New York Daily News story "Brooklyn Marine Sergeant & Wife Tortured" story for more details.
Reader comment:
I'm hurt and disgusted that BW are hated so much. this is not a robbery. it is a racial attack. If this was a black man a white woman they would not have done this. BW need to wake up and see that BM do not want us to be happy. they have an deep hatred and jealousy of us.this is so sad that this lovely couple has been wiped out. it really hurts me. I cannot stop crying. so now I'm supposed to keep my relationship under raps because some weak,coward wants to hurt me?
The paper claimed it was a financial motive that resulted in the death of this poor couple. Now does anyone here believe that someone would go through such extreme measures to steal a few hundred dollars? This story has hate crime written all over it! Ladies, please recognize that some of these animals have paper-thin egos, and anything that can be construed as insulting to it, (including you appearing happy with or without another type of man) is enough to cause them to snap like the monsters they are! I feel so bad for this couple. They seemed so happy and carefree. It's such a shame that these damaged animals who make it clear they do not want us, can't stand the sight of us with anyone else either! They only seem happy when we are sad, miserable and alone. To every sister within range to read these words, get as far away from these animals as you can! I think you can deduce now that they are lying when they say they don't care if bw date/mate out! ANY attempt by a bw, to have a happy life, seems to throw their insecurities in their faces, and result in them degenerating into the true beasts they are! I won't leave this post up long because it's just too sad, but I wanted you all to recognize the need to protect yourselves in any and every way you possibly can. I believe it was Evia who said that when bw try to escape it's going to truly get ugly. As you can see, once again, she was right......So sad
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Black women in the United States are in such a horrible and unique position when it comes to interracial dating/marrying. I remember Halima posted the story on your blog. Gina from WAOD also posted this story. She suggested that interracial couples are going to have get proactive about pushing for hate crime legislation. I don't know if this will help to prevent it, but it can definitely help in prosecuting the predators. This lovely black woman, from what I read in one of the papers, was a little apprehensive to get involved with her husband. He reassured her that he was a quality man. She may have been tentative on dating a white man because of all the reasons that have been exhausted on BW-IR blogs.
There's no way this was about money. The brutal way these two were tortured and her being raped, proves this was personal. WAOD reports the crime was bragged by the alleged perpetrators on myspace!
I live in Brooklyn and I heard about this story. So sad.
I hope this story gets circulated to all of the BW blogs...Horrific as this crime is, there is no room to back down...Black women are ceasing to argue with these factions and live their own lives...The proof is in the pudding...A disproportionate uncomfortable number of damaged men are rearing their ugly heads...We MUST be vigilant to these threats...
I recently heard of this story, and I was angry and sad at the same time. This incident is a prime example of what can go wrong when people are embeded with such hatred.
This is exactly why black women NEED to get a lot louder. It seems that so often a black women tries to maintain her dignity, and respect and yet she is put down.
I'm sorry if I sound really ticked off but I really am. And this story did not just make my current state any better.
I just got through writing on my own blog about some issues that i have to face with being a black woman from some of the people closet too me.
Not to mention, i just got told on by a non-black woman that the Family that Preys is suuuchhh a good movie....
i could go on and on i am so upset right now.
this woman actually believes....
okay i'll stop...or i'm going to go into a rant.
ha ha!
I hope those men get the book thrown at them.
I do too girl, I hope they get the death penalty! I know how you feel. I am so upset, I'm trying to think about it. It seems they can't stand to see us happy or free! And I cannot believe the paper actually believes it was financially motivated! If that was the case they would have broken in when the ppl were not there and stolen stuff! I'm so upset..... those poor people.....
The bloggers for the most part on periodical blogs are not buying the "robbery" bit neither...The heinous nature of the crime is indicative of deep-sewn hatred/resentment...Also it is very telling that these low rank marines would DARE attack a Sargeant...It speaks volumes of misplaced self-entitlement and lack of respect to say the least...Now for the trolls/criminal protectionists that may come:
YOU MAY NOT RESPECT THE PERSON, BUT RESPECT THE UNIFORM...Once again, I am soooooo glad this story is being discussed...I chose to post this story on my blog without saying a word...It speaks volumes about the intimidation BW face...
this story is so sad and upsetting. i agree with everyone on here. i don't even know what to say.these dbrbm are really coming out of the wood work and it's getting more and more disgusting.
ladies just continue living your life and pray for God's protection.
I think the reason why it's being reported that the murders were "financially motivated" because I don't think the general public is all that familiar with the BM reaction/behavior to the WM/BW pairing.
I don't think many black,white,Asian, Hispanic are that aware of it.
BM reaction/behavior towards BW/WM pairings are rarely if ever discuss in the media.
Many BW or WM hardly talk about either which doesn't help. Whenever anti interracial relationships are publicly discussed it's always said (mostly by BM) that BW are publicly disgusted by seeing BM and WW together. It is said that BW are the ones who visibly out in public show their dislike of WW/BM.
So based on that most will probably be familiar with BW suppose public behavior as oppose to BM.
I don't know maybe I'm wrong maybe I'm underestimating what people know. That's just my opinion why the public thinks it's financially motivated as oppose to this being a hate crime.
But I do think (other then these blogs of course) BW and even white men need to be more vocal publicly when it comes to BM public displeasure of BW/WM pairings.
I fear that this can become a deterent to keep great guys from going for BW.
In addition to finding a way to bring this to media attention, labelling it as a hate crime, I think at the same time we ought to wonder how it will effect guy prospects.
In a way, because such reports are not highly reported or labelled as hate crime buys us some time (as morbid as that sounds) to figure out how to NOT discourage non-black guys from still dating and marrying BW despite these "drawbacks".
Anonymous
I think the reason why it's being reported that the murders were "financially motivated" because I don't think the general public is all that familiar with the BM reaction/behavior to the WM/BW pairing.
I don't think many black,white,Asian, Hispanic are that aware of it.
BM reaction/behavior towards BW/WM pairings are rarely if ever discuss in the media.
Many BW or WM hardly talk about either which doesn't help. Whenever anti interracial relationships are publicly discussed it's always said (mostly by BM) that BW are publicly disgusted by seeing BM and WW together. It is said that BW are the ones who visibly out in public show their dislike of WW/BM.
So based on that most will probably be familiar with BW suppose public behavior as oppose to BM.
i totally agree with this. this is why i fight for bw to make plain and visible their social realities as distinct from others, by freely talking and discussing their experinces, joining the dots and coming up with their own side of things, so that when laws, plans and policies are made, they will 'expand' to contain provision for bw's circumstances.
you see many bw are trained and so used to bm speaking on issues of race and they let ww take centre stage on female issues. then try to fit their experince into the categories, frameworks and precepts that have been arrived at by looking at things from these bm and ww perspectives.
its like the issue of IR that in mainstream mind, is alwys 'a sign of progress and looking beyond race', yet from the perspective of bw, IR dating and mating of bm and ww is anything but, and is often a reflection of the discrimination against darker skin women.
You see, when bw step back and allow others to decide 'how we are gonna look at certain issues', this is how they shortchange themselves ie the law doesnt see how things are for them and respond to their needs!
black male protectionism also comes into play, with bw down playing acts of agression against them as a result of their IR. many bw are in a 'guilty' state of mind when IRing, and try to be 'understanding' of bm hurt feelings at seeing them with wm.
So instead of being concened with their civil rights and safety, once again their sympathy for bm becomes the focus!
all i have to say is ladies arm yourselves, there's nothing wrong with protecting your life especially when you have children. i don't even have children but i have a sibling whose future heavily depends on me. i don't see nothing wrong with busting a cap in someone's stuff if they try to harm me. anyways....
"There are a lot of evil men around in the black community. "
true, but sadly enough, these men don't recognize the evil in themselves. just yesterday, DL Hughley (i was being forced to watch his show), he talked about how many bm get killed every year in places like NY and Philadelphia and nobody does anything about it. i was stunned. who in this world do you expect to stop bm from killing other bm. if bm can't reason that they should not kill other bm, well, wtf is society supposed to do about it. i'm so puzzled. and he specifically mentioned bm, not bw or black children (the true victims), just bm. i was like wtf!!! i can understand if it was wm killing bm in such high numbers but it is bm killing other bm. i can't stand dl hughley
Miriam said... I fear that this can become a deterrent to keep great guys from going for BW."
If a man is interested in a woman and has gotten to know her and care for her - nothing will stand in his way. It is the nature of 'the male beast', as it where, hardwired into the biology in order to perpetuate the species. Given that it is not something that normally comes to the minds of WM, (based on personal experience) first as a possible danger it seems unlikely that it will have that effect. Men know that when they express an interest in a woman other men will not necessarily like it and there will be competition and in some cases resistance. This is especially true, since this country has the racial history it has. Attitudes are changing though. Men other than DBR men are conditioned to compete for women - expect resistance - i.e. win her love and affection, and be chosen as her husband and then to protect and provide for her and their children. This is why it is especially important for women to choose their husbands wisely and vet the person to see if they are able to provide for and protect them and be a partner. Part of being in that partnership for a woman is letting her man know when and where she sees or sense danger - because she trusts him and relies on him to work with her to protect her. Talk with the man in your life about this issue and the real danger of DBR men and their reactions. Let him know you trust him to handle any situation, after all you would not be dating or in a relationship with him if you did not, - and that it scares you when you see how some BM DBR and others react when they see WM/BW together. This will given him a heads up and also let him know you believe in him as a man.
Women still have to be vigilant and trust their instincts. If something "feels" off or unsafe do not question it, confide in your 'man' if you are part of a couple or just friends, when something is not right - but immediately remove yourself from it immediately - better to be thought rude than to end up hurt, injured or dead.
Men want the women in their lives to talk with them and rely on them - they know you are competent and capable but it is their job as they see it to make sure their woman does not go it along.
Women be strong enough to take the time to vet a man to make sure he is someone who you can trust, and talk with honestly and openly about issues and concerns, and who can and will take your concerns seriously and protect you and has your best interests and safety in mind.
Vet a person well before you trust them. It is hard to remember because women today, especially BW, are used to handling the details of life and taking care of situations and things on their own i.e. doing it for themselves - but it takes strength to rely on a man you trust.
If you are a woman in a healthy relationship with a man that loves you and cares for you and your well being - do not be afraid to be soft and feminine and let him 'take care of and protect you' and be strong. The only way women can protect themselves is to pray and be actively proactive at all times.
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Clarice
I read this story on BWIM blog and I did pass it around some. I have never cried for a dead person other than my parents, but I found myself crying! I took it personal. I hope those animals are executed because they arent fit to be human being.
I will report this on my blog too.
But I have said this before. They would rather see a sister dead (as well as a wm) before they see us happy. As Sara indicated keep your eyes open and stay away from, damaged neanderthals.
I'm not in an IR relationship but I've learned an important lesson from all of the crimes I've been reading about. Ladies, stop being afraid of the NRA. They are not some evil racist organization out to get black people. Love yourself, your man, and your children enough to protect them at any cost. I'm not saying this to be harsh, but we have had the wrong impression of the NRA and guns for far too long. I've aleady started gun training and I was pained by one fact. I saw many white, one Asian, and some Latina's taking shooting lessons. No black women were there other than myself. It was only recently that I found out a black female coworker was a member of the NRA. This is not to say that the world is a complete war zone for black women. It is to say that we should not be afraid to protect ourselves.
Lastly, I don't think that this will do much to put a damper on prospects for black women. If anything, it might make a lot of men angry or resentful of black men not so much because they want black women, but because they are tired of black men causing trouble. As happy as I am about this election, I can't deny that many white men are on edge that a black man will be in the white house.
Women still have to be vigilant and trust their instincts. If something "feels" off or unsafe do not question it, confide in your 'man' if you are part of a couple or just friends, when something is not right - but immediately remove yourself from it immediately - better to be thought rude than to end up hurt, injured or dead.
Clarice hit the nail on the head. TRUST YOUR INSTINCTS ladies. We're all blessed with this gift so use it!
New York Post:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/11072008/news/regionalnews/a_few_bad_men_137578.htm
@lormarie
It is to say that we should not be afraid to protect ourselves.
I whole heartily agree with you that we should protect and defend ourselves. I have no fear when it comes to protecting my own. Any man threatening me or my children will just have to suffer the consequences for his actions.
This type of incident has happened so many times in every branch of the military. It affects a broad range of individuals. You won't read about these incidents unless they happen in the civilian jurisdiction like this incident has.
You would think that this type of behavior would not occur in the military? Think again, the military is full of DBR men and sociopaths.
I know because I've spent 21 years in the military dealing with DBR men just like them. Whenever I came across men with this type of behavior_ I sent them back home to their Mama's.
You can not change the mindset of individuals who don’t want to change. These thugs are a disruption to authority at every level.
Hmph,I wonder if this had been a black male/white female relationship, would these men have really felt the need to rob them??? Financially motivated my foot!!!!!
It screams hatred!!!
@ miriam,
"In a way, because such reports are not highly reported or labelled as hate crime buys us some time (as morbid as that sounds) to figure out how to NOT discourage non-black guys from still dating and marrying BW despite these "drawbacks"."
Any man interested in dating BW reading this story will not be fooled. This horrible story has "hate crime" written all over it, if we're not buying it, these guys are intelligent enough not to buy it either, regardless of what the media reports. What won't discourage them from dating BW is if the savages who killed the couple don't get away with this and are used as an EXAMPLE. We need to do everything in our power to be HEARD and DEMAND justice!
People are truly blind Dee. Hate crimes are committed against BW by BM everyday! But they usually do not result in death. When we cannot walk the streets in peace without some peice of refuge feeling he can touch us, or grab us, or call us vile names because we pay him no mind. That's a hate crime of a much lower level. And when bw are physically attacked by bm for just trying to live and find happiness, that is a hate crime of a much greater measure! If hate crimes are racially motivated crimes predicated on the race of the victim, then bw have had hate crimes instituted against them by bm for a very long time!! White ppl are NOT the only ones who commit hate crimes! I have had bm email me and tell me the many ways they were going to track me down and wipe out my family because I was helping bw to ESCAPE-(can you believe they used that word)The point is they are enraged because they want to be able to continue to use, abuse, and discard bw, and they are angry that I am becomming an obstacle. That anger festers in their hearts and becomes hatred. The longer they think about it, the more dangerous they become. Ladies this is not a joke, please be careful, and as someone suggested I believe wholeheartedly in bearing arms. I wish this poor couple had, had guns. Things probably would have been different....What a horrible way for this young adorable couple to die....
Do you know what is considered news worthy? I turned my pc on and at the top of the yahoo page is Hugh Hefner's former girlfriend engage to the Eagles'Hank Basket. What a waste of space. Up until today, I have never heard of either one of them.
I was reading a comment on another site in reference to Quiana and Jan Pietrzak. This person who calls himself
beavis and butthead was making some very disparaging remarks especially in reference to
Mrs. Pietrzak. Now, this is a guy
I would truly call DAMAGE BEYOND REPAIR. This man(assuming he is a man) has issues with bw/wm.
Ladies, continue to live the best life you can and do not allow this to detour you in any way, shape or fashion.
ann
he talked about how many bm get killed every year in places like NY and Philadelphia and nobody does anything about it. i was stunned. who in this world do you expect to stop bm from killing other bm.
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They make those statements not highlighting the FACT that most of those murders are by other BM!! They like to mke it seem a if da evil White man is doing the dirty deed. BM are exterminating THEMSELVES.
Taylor-Sara wrote:
"I have had bm email me and tell me the many ways they were going to track me down and wipe out my family because I was helping bw to ESCAPE-(can you believe they used that word)"
Escape, huh. I guess these nutters had a Freudian slip. Not that they'd catch it. You are doing great work, all of you, and I plan to be a part of it. I've been trying to arm myself for a while (after being harassed and followed around my neighborhood by a 45+ y o DBRbm; I'm an undergrad, btw) Sadly, I live in a state where the only people who can acquire guns are the criminals. Hell, I may just buy a pocket knife.
"BM are exterminating THEMSELVES."
and good riddance!! i am sick and tired of bm everywhere, from africa, to america to the islands hurting bw and getting away with it. all the women in my family say this that bm have no problem mistreating bw but they don't have the balls to stand up to other men. nothing but cowardice, that's how i would say a majority of bm in this world are.
however, the good thing about the american prison system is that it is filled with dbrbm. so these men that committed this crime, they will get their opportunity to see just how "loving" and "kind" bm can be. they'll get to see just how "crazy" bw are to be running away from these "good" bm. they'll get the opportunity to see just how it feels to be attacked and violated repeatly. so no, i do not want these bm to get the death penalty, i want these men to live a long time in the harshest jail america can provide. better yet, maybe they can be shipped to south america where some light-skinned (you know how they love that stuff) spanish gang member can make them into their B!t!h!!! and hopefully, that spanish gansta doesn't mind sharing with his friends
I think we all know these damaged monsters are out there, I think we need to stratagize on how to protect ourselves. I have a family I adore including a wonderful w/husband and I admit, I'm scared for my me, my children and my husband. It's so unfair. There are two bw/wm families on our street and 2 bm/ww families on the corner of the street. But the only ones harrasssed by these monsters are the bw/wm families! They call us bw names (because we have w/hubby's) they follow us around, and try to rile the neighbors to hate us. One lady even had her new car smashed up! But they never bother the bm/ww couples. They're sick and twisted, and I'm scared....
beebop5 - living here in Texas it was suggested to me many a gun, but an air pistol may work too. You still need to make sure you practice with it and get a good one.
I was so hurt for the couple and disgusted with those animals.
I hope it does come out that is it trul a hate crime and they receive the death penalty.
Wow guys this is nuts. Beebop5 you better get straight real soon before you get hurt.
Get a gun, buy a dog, get pepper spray. Stop thinking and wondering and let those fools know you're CRAZY!
Everytime you leave the house put on the "mean face". These DBR men are just like animals. They smell fear and prey on it.
@ kc...just a question? Do you think that the ww/bm couple(s) have anything to do with the harassements?
a.f.
No, and I do not want them to be harrassed if that is what you're thinking. I just don't see why we bw/wm couples are the only ones being harrassed. Some of these men look at us with such hatred, and say such horrendous things, I'm afraid to let my children out of my sight! Yet they will smile sweetly at the ww/bm couples! I've even seen them call my friend kelly, (she's married to a wm) a traitor bitch, while carrying in groceries for one of the ww (who is married to a bm) Why on earth are they angry at us and not them? I've tried to be nice to them and make friends, but they hate me all the same, and kelly says it's not safe to try to be friends with them, or let them use my phone,or give them food etc...
beebop5---you don't need a gun for safety. While my sister's a weapons specialist, she's not chopping brocolli with a glock by the cutting board, LOL. Guns only help if you have them out; most of us can't have them lying out (kids). My advice: take self defense classes and move ASAP to a better area on a higher floor. Don't consider it as higher rent to pay; think of it as saving on hospital and legal expenses. Can you move to a dorm? They have more rules, meaning crazy people get the boot. They increase your aid package when living in a dorm.
As for that man, go on Megan's list. Someone with that type of behavior may have a sexual assault in his background. If so, call the cops and have them pick his butt up for harrassment.
Thanks for the advice TC, and if anyone else has any safety advice to give to the ladies, please feel free....
mary: DL Hughley (i was being forced to watch his show), he talked about how many bm get killed every year in places like NY and Philadelphia and nobody does anything about it. i was stunned. who in this world do you expect to stop bm from killing other bm. if bm can't reason that they should not kill other bm, well, wtf is society supposed to do about it. i'm so puzzled. and he specifically mentioned bm, not bw or black children (the true victims), just bm. i was like wtf!!! i can understand if it was wm killing bm in such high numbers but it is bm killing other bm.
Yep Mary I don't get that either after like more than 15 years have passed with the movies like Colors, Boyz N The Hood, Menace II Society, Sugar Hill, Jason's Lyric, etc. bringing the inner city problem of black on black crime to light to the to popular mainstream, and black men still can't understand that killing another black man is wrong?
A black man still can't respect another black man even if he doesn't know him and just say 'We're the same, no better, no worse, I just want to actually live my life and so I should just let you do the same because we're just two human beings'?
If they can't treat each other that way, in whatever city in whatever place, then what can anybody else do about that?
Black women do NOT have the magic wand or mammy super glue for that one! They just have to do better!
kc I know there's a credit crunch of the worst kind going on but is house hunting on the horizon for you anytime soon?
@ kc...did you inform the police about your problem(s)?
In some cities the police will come out and give the homeowners or apt. renters some advice on safety features they can apply to their homes or apts. How about calling an alarm company and ask them for advice about safety equipment. Example, motion detectors, video taping around the perimeter of your home.
@ kc...Why are you and Kelly surprised that your bm neighbor was helping another ww carry her groceries into her home? Isn't he married to a ww? It stands to reason he is helping the women he prefers the most.
I think any animosity coming from either the ww/bm maybe because you and your husband had the nerve to move on with your lives.
LOL...Who would have thought that the wm/bm would have come together as one?
ann
I cried when I heard about this story. I was deeply saddened by the actions of these 4 pieces of ____. What gets me is how come there is no outrage coming from people like Al Sharpton & Jesse Jackson. If this crime was committed by 4 white guys, they would all be in an uproar screaming hate crime. Is it because 3 of these men are black and in their eyes is not really a hate crime but more of a black on black crime? Is there an underlying sense of hypocrisy? Bull! It still is a hate crime. There should be an uproar. This should ignite a national awareness of hate crimes. This beautiful couple had their lives and their future taken away. Sorry for my rant, I am just still steaming mad from this whole situation.
wow, you guys are really thinking alike! (read the last few comments) I don't know how Al Sharpton can justify not saying a word when sistas are attacked by bm. Or are the victim's of heinous crimes at the sick, twisted hands of dbrbm? I really don't see how he can sleep at night-but I guess he does. Ladies if you can't fit it into your sched. self defense is ALWAYS a good idea.....
They showed this on GMA and Chris Cuomo eluded to the fact that this was a hate crime but he would not completely go there. I think that shortly it will be considered a hate crime. So sad...
I took a self-defense class and it gave me a lot of self confidence to know that if a man attacks you, no matter your size, you can take him down regardless. As for the story of the military couple, it is a sick and evil mind who would do such a thing. Those men are animals and should be treated as such.
Sara, i hope you don't mind but this is a website i go to and buy stuff when i have money, the sell a lot of inexpensive personal safety stuff. i am definitely not associated with them but we're buying home security items from them and i think the ladies might benefit from this website, they also sell stun guns and pepper sprays and motion detectors
http://www.preventsecurity.com/category.asp?c=25
Thank you mary, I don't mind abit. More than anything I want bw to be SAFE and happy. And I agree Starkitty, I hope they lock these animals up with other animals that hurt them just as badly as they hurt this poor innocent couple. I hope they wish for death, and find it's eludes them.....
Another option for women who are concerned about safety in addition to self defense classes would be personal protection devices such as stun guns, pepper spray. There are regulations however and in some states they are illegal so check with that before hand - check with local police organizations or women's groups (domestic abuse/rape crisis centers) who might have some additional information on self defense classes. Here are a few links:
http://www.defendu.com/links.htm
http://www.guardian-self-defense.com/streetwise_mini_stun_gun.htm
http://www.taser.org/laws.html
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Clarice
Thanks Mary for the link!!!
One day I hope to establish a law firm dedicated to litigating cases (like this one) involving hate crimes against BW and their families. It is an OUTRAGE that these DBR ROACHES felt they had the RIGHT to end the lives of this BW/WM couple. The justice system should make an example of THESE WORTHLESS PIECES OF GARBAGE by punishing them WITH THE DEATH PENALTY and sending the clear message that hate crimes against BW WILL NOT BE TOLERATED ANYMORE.
Has anyone read this article from VDare? They're known for their pro-white nationalist slant so I'm surprised that they're presenting this with sympathy to the murdered couple.
http://vdare.com/stix/081111_knoxville.htm
If hate crimes are racially motivated crimes predicated on the race of the victim, then bw have had hate crimes instituted against them by bm for a very long time!!
Very true sara.
this is why i talk about racio-misogyny. As a concept it is important we bang on about it because it hasn yet 'entered the books' that bm can discriminate and target bw because they are black and female, and since there is no such official recognision, bw will continue to suffer and die from this unidentified factor without hope of cure.
people can be racists towards people like themselves and if there is a 'gender seperation' between the victim and perpetrator, then all the more reason to as standard, explore the angle of hate crime especially given that bw have an abundant of evidence of being tragetted by bm simply as a result of being black and female.
Supposing I wanted to Date a White Guy...?
You are so right Halima, and the name is perfect. I have never understood why they are soooo damaged and hate-filled. But as Evia always says, don't worry about why, just steer clear! (think it was her-or you) My heart breaks for that poor couple and the horrible death that befell them. Nobody deserves what happened to them,- except the animalistic perpetrators.....
You know, people always tell me I am wrong for hating those BM bastards, that I have no right to hate them even though they have hurt me and countless other BW, that I am too "Harsh" with BM for calling them on their mistreatment if us, that I refuse to acknowledge the "Good" brothas out there and all of that other trifling mess, but seeing this case just confirmes for me yet again that I am 100% CORRECT in hating BM and agreeing with the statement that says "A BM Ain't you-know-what"! How can anyone blame a sista for feeling that way? Look at this disgusting crime against that poor couple who was hurting NO ONE! Look at the hypocracy of those BM creeps in kc's neigborhood, harrassing the BW married to WM, but not saying NOTHING to the stupid BM or their stupid WW wives!
I agree 100% with what Mary says about BM WORLDWIDE (They are ALL garbage!) what she wants for the creeps who did this in prison, and with all of the other sistas here who think sistas need to start packin' heat. Then, the next time one of these trifling BM try something, we'll be ready for them!
My sincerest condolences to the families of the poor couple.
This is something that we all need to seriously think about.
I awoke yesterday at 2:30 AM with my daughter coming into my bedroom, saying "Mommy why are all of these flashing lights outside?"
The first thing that I thought was that my home was on fire again or something. Once the fog in my mind cleared I realized it was what looked like the entire Police Department outside.
I was wondering what had happened? I then called out to my neighbors across the street and asked them what had happened? He then stated that our neighbor had been having trouble with her boyfriend and she probably called the police.
This neighbor is a WW who has a penchant for dating severely DBR BM and bringing them into our neighborhood. He then told me that he had to call the police twice the week earlier because he had attacked her in her front yard.
If you live in excellent or decent neighborhoods we have to beware of women who bring these damaged men into the areas where we reside.
It could either be their just released ex-con brothers, husbands, uncles, boyfriends or any of their DBR male relatives.
Beware ladies, beware!
@ divalocity...I think your ww neighbor is also damage herself if this is her passion.
loi
Why do we exaggerate such things? We have this incident, yet there is a failure to identify any similar attacks on a bw/wm interracial couples. In other words, how does such an isolated incident define anything?
One would have to dig long and hard to come up with any significant violent act against such a couple, yet there are multiple incidents of attacks on bm/ww couples by white men. The Walmart shooting is a recent example, yet no one has used this as a rallying cry against white men.
You're not that damn stupid ANON! You know good and damn well, you cannot exaggerate anything beyond death! Look, I feel like Evia on this issue. If you are too stupid to understand the signifigance of these poor ppl being MURDERED BASED ON THEIR LOVE then you are just too stupid for us to waste time on. This mess is SELF EXPLANATORY for anyone with an ounce of common sense. And I just don't have the fortitude or patience to deal with someone as obtuse as you! Sorry to sound like a bitch, but you are either retarded or just trying to get my readers up in arms, so you can have a good laugh. That's why you didn't even give a name. I always have the most asignine, ridiculous, and cowardly remarks from ppl who won't even sign their name, and it's getting on my nerves. I have no answers for you Anon, why don't you go and ask the bm/ww boards why they do what they do? And why don't you STAY THERE-this is NOT the blog for you, and no more of your ridiculous comments will be posted- So say good bye!
Wow Sara... ah that was a... really kind of mean. I'm speechless!
@ Candie....shut the _uck up.
Sara was 100% correct.
Candie, Snickers and Butter fingers you all can go to the bm/ww boards.
Sara, you do realize that most of these new names are the same person?
ann
Correction...the comments @ Candie were mines.
ann
"One would have to dig long and hard to come up with any significant violent act against such a couple, yet there are multiple incidents of attacks on bm/ww couples by white men. The Walmart shooting is a recent example, yet no one has used this as a rallying cry against white men."
@ anonymous 9:41 p.m...start your own blog and you can write about ww/bm attacks all day long and yes, you will have you own following.
This blog was not meant for you.
ann
CandyCane/Snickers/M&M's technique is simply to distract and put the convo on a hamster wheel to nowhere...
As Halima says "A whole lotta talk and preoccupation"...
Sara, it's pretty obvious you just don't care what happened to the bm/ww couple at walmart! You only care about bw/wm. I cannot beleive you call yourself a christian with that callous heart of yours. what about what we go through with wm, when we are trying to date a pretty ww? What about the rep. of the average bm? What about when we cannot find jobs, and support our families -uck us huh! That's exactly why we leavin yall for ww now!
Brown,
I normally would have deleted your post like the 6-7 before you, I have already deleted today. But I decided to let the ladies see the mindset we are dealing with. These two lovely ppl were murdered, yet once again (in your mind, and that of your ilk)The only thing that matters is bm are being ignored/disparaged. It's quite telling how you completely turn the focus back to bm as if they are the only ones who REALLY matter. I don't know anything about the couple at walmart, so of course I am not going to comment. But as far as me worrying about bm able to support their kids, get jobs, and pink coochie-You are completely right. I don't give a damn! Yall don't stay in your kid's lives anyway unless they look white! and as far as yall supporting your families, we all know that's code word for White Women! So get off your sorry asses and handle your own business, and stop trying to use US to help you get what other men go out and WORK FOR!!!....
"....I cannot beleive you call yourself a christian with that callous heart of yours. "
When all else fails use God and guilt as a battering ram...These are some of thefalse religious talk that keeps BW in a place of compliance...Has absolutely NOTHING to do with real Christianity and/or a relationship with Christ...This gentleman Brown has the same end goal as many charlaton preachers who use false doctrine for personal gain...
What about the rep. of the average bm? What about when we cannot find jobs, and support our families -uck us huh! --Brown
I've always wanted to say this loudly and clearly. I don't give a fuck about black men and their bad reputations. As for leaving us for white women? First I'd like to say that I don't believe in acknowledging racial kinship nor solidarity with black men so it's not an issue for me. The only thing I do feel sorry for is the state of white women when they do hook up with black men. For example, a ww is more likely to become a single mother (abandoned) if she's with a black man. I.E. she experiences the same things many black women do. So when you do hook up with a white woman, just understand that it is of no loss to black women (if only more of us would realize that).
Lormarie, I understand your passion, but let's watch the language.....
I'll be sure to watch my language. Gotta find better ways of expressing myself over the "sensitive issues."
@ CW, you know what I like about you? You always explain precisely the methods they use to try to fool us. LMAO! You're awesome!
You know good and damn well, you cannot exaggerate anything beyond death!
I don't think that you fully understood the point. I don't think that the anon was saying that the heinous nature of the crime was being exaggerated. That would be truly foolish. What he or she was saying is that the particular social implication of the crime being promoted here is exaggerated. In other words, this crime is not part of any trend of violence toward interracial couples, but rather seems to be an isolated incident since no one can cite any similar violence against black woman/white man couplings.
It is not at all unreasonable to speculate or even conclude that the crime was motivated by the interracial marriage, but the question of it being a part of a larger trend is one that has so far not been answered. One can be proactive though and work to ensure that this does not become a trend.
@ Laromana, I've seen your comment on several blogs, I hope you achieve your goal because that's greatly needed. Thanks in advance for helping us!
Tia, I understand perfectly well what he/she was saying. But the fact is, is HAS been proven to be part of a larger trend! Numerous women here have talked about how they are afraid to walk down the street for fear of bm attacking them if they don't smile at them. I believe I stated in the post that most of the attacks on bw don't end in death, but they are nevertheless very dangerous and increasingly lethal. What about the young lady who was beaten up by her bm 'friends' for saying a wm football player was cute? What about the young blk girl who was shot recently in the face because she and her friends would not give their number to a bunch of bm losers at the 7-11? What about the 2 young mothers who were shot a few months ago, while holding their babies! Those monsters even shot the babies too! we could go on with their victimization of bw all day long, so don't tell me it's not a f-cking trend! And please don't start with that bm protectionism again. I am not in the mood. If Anon. feels that I am ignoring the plight of bm- that's just too damn bad! There are too many bw and children suffering at their hands for me to be worried about them! We don't have any Al sharptons coming to OUR rescue, in case you have not noticed....
Hi all,
A black male reader of this blog sent the following comment to my blog regarding what I stated earlier:
If this is not black male hate, I don’t know what is. This is the type of mentality my sons will have to face as they reach maturity. It saddens me because of the hatred they will have to face simply because of their race and gender.
http://lormarie.com/2008/11/09/does-racism-really-cut-both-ways/
The thread in question was about the murdered couple at Camp Pendleton. Apparently, he is much more disturbed at what he believes is "black male hate" (sic) than black men who kill. Barry, it is that mentality that you should be concerned about.
I co-sign Sara!!! BW being attacked by DBRbm is COMMON. I can't believe how in denial some people can be. HOW LONG are yall gonna give them idiots the "benefit of the doubt" when they prove you time and time again that they don't care?
Anonymous wrote : Why do we exaggerate such things?
A BW has been murdered after being robbed, tortured and raped by FOUR SCUMBAGS, her husband has been just as savagely treated and murdered and this is an "exaggerated thing"? WOW!!! I guess you're celebrating the fact that "a traitor" and her "evil WM" got killed? I suppose that's why you had to bring up the bm/ww cases, to remind us of what is supposed to matter?
To whoever doubted BW weren't valued in the BC, you've just read the proof : this case is an "exaggerated thing".
Brown wrote : Sara, it's pretty obvious you just don't care what happened to the bm/ww couple at walmart! You only care about bw/wm.
You people have Jesse, Al, and the whole BC machine behind you everytime anything happens to the "po' BM". Just call them and stop whining and acting like defenseless toddlers when you have people who have your back. WHO THE F--- DO WE HAVE TO DEFEND US?? And because focusing on crimes against BW is considered ABNORMAL in the BC, we have idiots like YOU having the AUDACITY to come to a BW site to "remind us that we're supposed to care about BM first". STFU ALREADY!!!!
thank you girl, especially when most of the killers ARE THEM!!!
" I don't give a damn! Yall don't stay in your kid's lives anyway unless they look white!" - Taylor-Sara
I've always noticed this, too. The instinct for self-negation motivates all that the DBRbm does. He is the only man in the world that doesn't feel proud that his children resemble him.
This was a point that I wanted to make in conjunction with the cuckoo-boo's letter of warning to the "Something New" set in the other post:
"Either a black man will try go get somebody of another nationality, or they will completely taking themselves out of the race altogether;"
They actually imagine that they can! They think that they can "take themselves out of the race altogether" somehow. I think that many of them expect white or asian children when they procreate. That reminds me of an interview I heard of Tiki Barber's. He was asked how he would feel about his sons following in his footsteps to play football. His reply? They have no future in football because... wait for it.....
"they're asian" LMAO
Shy, the duke rape was free publicity for them, plus the alleged perps were white. And Tawana was what 20 yrs ago? When that bw and her child were being raped, sodomized and beaten in dumbar villiage, Al sharpton packed a bag and prepared to fly out there in protest of how the BM perpetrators were being treated by the police!!! He felt these monsters should have been given BAIL! When that young college student was snatched from her car and raped, beaten and tortured to death (by BM) while being paraded naked and bleeding in front of neighbors, DID YOU HEAR AL, JESSIE OR ANY OTHER ACTIVIST RAISING HELL? When the 9-10 yr old girl was raped by about 10-15 men in her community,(again bm) did you see Al, Jessie or any of the rest of them? Oh but when that bm Scott was killed on his wedding day by the police, The whole community came out to protest- Including Al who readily WENT TO JAIL to defend this man's life! And I am not suggesting his life was not important. I'm simply unequivocally stating that OUR LIVES are just as important!!! We are shown every day how little we are valued in these enclaves, except as appendages to bm, and that is not acceptable! Did you know that on the Titanic most of the victims were men with most of the women and children surviving. Can you imagine how differently it would have ended had the ship been filled with blk ppl?....
I am most certainly NOT saying that so don't put words in my mouth. I was talking about if it were to happen now. And as for the 2nd part of statement. I agree wholeheartedly. They do not get involved when bw are victimized again and again by bm. The problem is that is what a MAN is supposed to do-protect his community! Is a woman any less dead if she is attacked by a bm as opposed to a white one? How ridiculous is that! You don't think the victims of all these heinous crimes against bw wished someone ANYONE would have intervened and helped them! Like I said before, I just don't have the patience for such abject stupidity, or the time to explain things to someone who clear lacks the capacity and desire to understand. This blog is about the betterment, upliftment and happiness of BW. It is NOT for everyone, nor is it meant to be. And it clearly is NOT for you, so this will be your last post here. We have important work to do, and that does not include arguing mundane and ridiculous points with ppl who come here to disrupt our discussions... So say goodbye!
that's exactly how you handle the trolls Sara, because they are just here to divert our topics and keep us in a never ending aruing loop. I suspect this is that bougie under an assumed name. Either way, he/she is a complete idiot and we just don't have the time to waste on them. Notice how they came with this drivel, disguised as legitimate dialogue. Please just delete them and don't let them get what they want-which is to turn the topics toward bm and away from our purpose....
@Lola & others
Let's not even argue with those who PURPOSELY evade the point of this discussion...Each scenario being met with "Are you saying____(fill in some inflammatory BS straw man argument)_____"...If perchance the poster doesn't have the basic reading comprehension skills to follow the conversation, then maybe they can find a more basic forum on which to participate....Only the most obtuse person would NOT be able to distinguis the BC of yesterday and the BC of today...I would not want to be on the Titanic with the modern day BC...There would be no women and children first...Women and children would probably be used as innertubes or tied together as liferafts...Tough talk, but that's reality...
Maybe this is wrong, but this I why I think bw probably need to move into gated communites. From apartments to houses. You have gated communities that are apartments nowdays and even people from the hood/ or considered low income are going to or looking to go this route because you have something called security.
What I don't like is when I see apartments like this that are gated apartments that don't have real security. I mean you can tell that they are not fixing/maintaining these gates and letting the machine/gates just be the security. Maybe they need security guards or something etc. Anyway off that soap box.
I still think they are needed because the guards can at least ask who are you here to see etc. Maybe that makes me a snob I don't know.
It does not make you a snob cool splash, it makes you a woman who is thinking in a proactive manner. This is something we all must do-because unlike other races, the majority of our 'danger' is coming from our own communities... just sad
Same old you know what.
Some fools come on here getting upset because we are upset about a fellow BW being sold down the river yet again by BM.
They remind us that the ONLY important people on Earth who deserve consideration & sympathy if they are hurt are BM & WW.
Some regular people start out strong defending BW.
Then the same people backpeddle and start talking about the "BC" and how BM of the past were "different".
So in the end, the results are the same.
The BW is insulted and neglected.
And the BM is defended.
Same old you know what like I said.
SMH.
I wish all these triflin' black men would just disappear! I'm sick and tired of how they hurt Black women!
All you Black men defenders here are full of ish!
Anon, 8:36
Technically I don't know your name, but I can always 'feel' when you come on, because you are always so invariably negative and angry, without being able to temper yourself with logic. I think anyone with 2 eyes can see that bm were totally different in the 60s. At that time we had wonderful men, who although they were facing horribledaily persecutions would still go to work everyday, marry their child's mother and doing everything in their power to bring a better life to their progeny. We had the temptations singing 'treat her like a lady', and stevie wonder writing a song called is'nt she lovely' for a baby daughter he could not even SEE! Now we have subsets pieces of men screaming: Superman that hoe! and treat her like a prostitute! I think we can all see what we have now is totally different from what we had then. And many of the bm of yesterday would turn over in their graves if they could see today's bm, because he bears little resemblance to the former. and that is not bm protectionism, that is just a fact....
I think this goes further than the anons want to admit. They constantly come on here pointing out the legacy of ppl like the Al's and the Jesse's. They are soo steeped in their line of thinking they can not even see the truth right in front of them. In everyday life, they have no regard for bw, and will do everything and anything they want, b/c they know that nobody will come to our rescue. They think the murder of this couple is isolated. But what they fail to realize is this murder is the extreme of a trend that happens in all forms, from social slander, ostracism, minor crimes, all the way up to murder. It doesn't get much worse than murder, but these fools want to argue the point, and confuse the facts. What they don't realize is, as they run around and terrorize us bw and any others who they feel share this thinking, they prove the point that there is no protection for bw, and that bw need to start protecting themselves. All I have to say, is they better stay close to their crew, b/c once you step out of your little clique, you are just another "hoe" and "b%^t(h". And we all know they don't love those "hoes", they told us outright in many a songs. But I am sure the bm in your little crew are happy that you help to contribute to the perpetuated violence against bw worldwide. You really have to think about the big pic when you set out on your idiotic missions. BM don't need you, they are men and should be taking care of themselves AND you. Your enabling only keeps them in a perpetual state of victimhood. But I am sure you worked your butt off in school, so you could give group home to your loser brother or son. Go head then, but I choose to find self-sufficient men, who don't need me to whip them into shape, just love them into bliss.
Coolsplash - " mean you can tell that they are not fixing/maintaining these gates and letting the machine/gates just be the security."
I have watched people wait until a tenant leave and zoom in behind them to get in these "gated" complexes or just park somewhere and walk onto the grounds. I've done it at my sister's complex. They are poorly monitored. This gives people a false sense of security.
Part of the problem is some bw are in the mindset that "brothas" have their best interest in mind and would never do that type of harm to them thusly, leaving them wide open
Taylor-Sara, I like you a lot, I really do, I like what you do for us, and I really, really appreciate it. But sometimes, and I am saying this with ALL due respect because a sista deserves all the respect in the world, I think you are a bit naive and unrealistic when it comes to BM & WW. I don't buy this bit about BM from decades past being "different" at all. I have been told by BW older than myself certain things they saw from BM in those very same decades past that tell me clearly that BM were not "Better" back then, no the thing was that they had no choice but to put on the apperance of "Behaving" themselves because greater soceity back than was NOT kissing their rear ends and coddling them like it unfortunately is now, so those BM had NO CHOICE but to check themselves and not be so open when it came to doing their dirt. I also think that the VAST MAJORITY of WW (I would say 99%) hold nothing but contempt, hatred, and scorn for us BW, and my experiences with and observing those trifling heifers, plus the similar experiences from other sistas with them discussed on these blogs tells me that I am 100% correct in feeling that way about them! I also DO NOT see how BM from the Caribbean or Africa are ANY different from those in America. Why do I think this? Because of my experiences, observing them, and listening to what sistas from the Caribbean and Africa say about them.
The bottom line Taylor-Sara is this: I hate BM because they hate me, and I hate WW because they hate me, period. I am not going to apologize for feeling that way, back down from feeling that way, or let anyone tell me I am wrong for feeling that way, period.
I am not going to apologize for feeling that way, back down from feeling that way, or let anyone tell me I am wrong for feeling that way, period.
Yet you just post as "anonymous".
Rocky, the opinion of a, whining, WW worshipping BM with a God complex (A typical BM in other words) like yourself is of zero interest to me. Yes I post as "Anonymous". What of it? If you don't like it, well nobody is forcing you to read this blog. Why don't you go somewhere else and take your "BM are angels, WW are perfect" opinions with you? This blog is not the place for you, so don't lecture me about how to post.
I am a WW - it makes me sad that you hate all of us so much without even knowing all of us. Sure some WW hate you - there are lots of ignorant people out there of every color. But I can speak for myself and say that I don't hate BW - I don't care if WW men marry BW or AW or LW - it is none of my business. If they love each other good for them. I don't think WM belong to me because I am a WW. I think we are all people and we have the right to love whom we choose.
Anyway, to the person who said "I hate WW because they hate me" I am sorry to tell you this but I don't hate you, and I know lots of other WW who don't hate BW as well - none of my good friends or family members feel that way. I have met ignorant people before and I know there are many of them, but I choose not to be close to them and there are enough other people out there who aren't like that. I am really sorry you feel that way and I am sorry for whatever people have said or done to make you feel that that way, but it just isn't true that 99% of all of us feel that way about BW. You need to move in different circles maybe, I don't know. I do know though that negative things tend to stand out more than other things. I mean if someone treats you like shit you will remember that more than someone who just acted normal with you. And if you are expecting and looking for negativity and hate you will find plenty of examples for you to focus on so that is all you will see.
Anyway, all the best and I hope you meet some WW who are not like what you described so you start to let go of the hate you carry.
My heart breaks for this couple, and the animals that did this will pay. They might not have received full recompense yet, but it will happen, and than they will pay for their evil.
I think you should leave the post up, because if more black women see how serious this is, the more they will be able to protect themselves from these type of people.
This is truly devastating. May the poor souls rest in peace. It's still so hard for me to believe 4 young men did this to their sergeant and a sister.
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